The persecution of Ahmadiyya Muslims during Eid al-Adha in Pakistan has generated a complex mix of opinions. Many express dismay and criticism towards their ongoing discrimination and call for religious tolerance and human rights. However, there are also significant voices supporting religious doctrinal differences that exclude Ahmadiyyas from being recognized as Muslims, citing the finality of prophethood. This highlights broader sectarian issues within Islam and presents an irony given Ahmadiyyas' historical support for Pakistan's creation. Discussions on traditional practices during Eid further contribute to the mixed sentiment.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

Pakistani Government

Muslim Religious Leaders

Pakistan by law doesn't consider Ahamdiya Muslim to be muslim and it is punishable. The fact that they removed the word muslim from the tomb of first Muslim Nobel laureate tells you everything you need to know. Yaha hote to Nobel jeetne wale Ko sar par baitha lete chahe Hindu ho ya muslim.

NoBlacksmith9236

SageSharma

Mindless-Pilot-Chef

Ah the so called islamic republic of Pakistan, suppressing muslims aswell

Big-Sir4054

So ahmadiyya muslims cant celebrate eid is it? Why?

Business_Platypus820

Own_Desk7124

Gandu news channel Pakistan wale kya gaand mawra rahe hai wo dikha rha hai iss se India walo kya lena dena 
Accha nhi yo in ghatiya news channel ka dukan nhi chalega naaa

Specialist-Tea8446

mr---kamikaze

Megatron0003

Are you from Pakistan? No then move on.  Its none of your business. 

Apne country mein to Dalits aur Muslims sambhaale ni jaate aur baat karte ho Pakistan mein Ahmediya community ki jo muslim he ni hai.

Resident-Ant8281

Aisa kb hua? Me Pakistan me he hun mujhay he nhi pata. Oh Godi media.

SalmanKhan9960

Ahmadiya are fake Muslims, but they project themselves as real Muslims, this is the fundamental issue. 

A crude metaphor but if someone tries to sell a fake Gucci bag as the real thing, not only is it a scam but Gucci will not allow it and try it's best to stop them.

Ahmadiya is a cult based on the teachings of Mirza Ahmed, believe him to be the last prophet, who has declared all Muslims as kafirs (non believers) if they don't follow him. If you believe in his teachings over that of Islam then you are no longer a follower of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and hence not a Muslim.

Falkun_X

hershesleeping

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Impressive_Wing_1410

**Apparently, Modiji and Rijijuji brought this bill for the poor Muslims, who are thanking them in thousands. But, don't you dare question it. Otherwise, they will throw you in jail.**

rishianand

But guyzzz.... just imagine.... you're walking down the road and you see a person wearing a black armband. How scary that'd be. And what if there are more than one people wearing armbands. Blacks ones at that. If you can't imagine the horrors, it is because it's beyond human comprehension it's so scary. 

&gt;!stupid, pathetic administration and the people who don't see the rampant injustice happening all over our country!&lt;

Flawless_Cub



Read my three part article on Waqf (Amendment) Bill.

[Waqf Amendment Bill: A Bill Based On Fictions And Falsehoods : r/IndianSocialists](https://np.reddit.com/r/IndianSocialists/comments/1jpfhdg/waqf_amendment_bill_a_bill_based_on_fictions_and/)

[Waqf Amendment Bill: One Nation, Two Standards : r/IndianSocialists](https://np.reddit.com/r/IndianSocialists/comments/1jq5bcd/waqf_amendment_bill_one_nation_two_standards/)

[How A Conspiracy Theory Became A Law: Waqf (Amendment) Bill : r/IndianSocialists](https://np.reddit.com/r/IndianSocialists/comments/1jrxhhn/how_a_conspiracy_theory_became_a_law_waqf/)

Must watch,

* [Did BJP save Muslims? The REALITY of Waqf | TV Newsance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWtUFBVgLaQ)
* [ग़रीब मुसलमानों की ग़रीबी दूर होगी, ऐसा क्या है वक़्फ़ बिल में - Ravish Kumar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SFhPK4l9_8)
* [वक़्फ़ पर विपक्ष का भाषण, क्या सरकार को घेर पाया विपक्ष - Ravish Kumar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21I9XEL4qRo)
* [बहुमत के दम को सवालों ने बेदम कर दिया, कानून बन गया मगर जवाब नहीं मिला - Ravish Kumar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glr2J8RF0Ps)
* [Wakf Amendment Bill - An Analysis | Advocate Akhilendra Pratap Singh](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&amp;v=LsicNjXO2bs)
* [What is New Waqf Bill-2024? | Prof Faizan Mustafa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z76q8oOzcdo)

🤦getting arrested for peaceful protest.. wtf..

BurnyAsn

GlitteringWafer9263

Lyner005

You can arrest someone for wearing black armbands?

Academic_Attitude473

Dekhna ab kahi inhe kali chaddi se bhi problem na ho.. Up is Up for all bad reasons

BoysenberryUnique115

Wait so how can government land be Waqf? 
Also why shouldn't Waqf claims be challenged in court like any other land disputes?

leafninja4

sahil1572

Inqilabi_Mufakkir

Right to protest gaya paani m chappak 💦💦💦

UmairAnsari_

A lot of people were very happy and privileged under hitler, stalin, pol pot, ceusescu, mao.

chillcroc

Of course they had to! What if they all started telling jokes? /s

MusicWearyX

"Chalo waqf bill ke against post karke khud ko expose nahi kar sakte toh kamse kam uske around post karke thoda sa cope karte hain"

MrVikrraal

Religious laws ahould have no place in a secular nation.

No_Cucumber_9149

Funnily enough Abdus Salam, Pakistan's first Noble Laureate was Ahmadiyya, and ended up being heavily sidelined and one can say disowned by his homeland.

ThinBobcat4047

Ah, yes. The greatest enemies of Muslims- other Muslims.

CamisaMalva

The problem with democracy is that it requires a population which believes that we ought we tolerate those with different opinion or different religion. In countries where the population is against that, democracy will never work and will be broken because of political and religious sectarianism.

bahhaar-hkhkhk

Pakistan in 1947: I exist to protect Muslims from religion based discrimination

1971: i’m going to discriminate against non-Sunnis

ChristianLW3

I used to play Runescape with an Ahmadi guy. Went by the user name Tibbity. Nice dude.

Inttegers

A security guard murdered at the Bondi stabbing spree was an Ahmadi who emigrated from Pakistan because of discrimination.

El_dorado_au

i used to live at the hq in England and met the caliph a few times

Serious-Abroad-8722

Basically they’re being persecuted solely because other branches of Islam consider them heretics.

Archarchery

Can’t wait to see Pakistan lecturing the rest of the world some more about democracy and human rights

AndreasDasos

Ahmadis literally are not Muslim. Their founder believed himself to be a prophet and said bad things about other actual prophets. Islam has a clear tenet that Muhammad is the final prophet and there will be none after him. You cannot call yourself a Muslim yet believe in a prophet after Muhammad, let alone disrespect the prophets. 

Ahmadis/Qadyaanis try to force themselves into the Muslim community and this is precisely why they face such pushback. 

Even-Meet-938

A shame upon our country. How we treat Ahmadis is nothing short of evil.

AstaraArchMagus

There’s nothing more threatening to a religious group than slightly different sects of the same religions. To them, other religions are at least identifying themselves as different, and don’t claim to be part of what they believe is the true faith. But heretical sects are just as heathen, yet they still claim to be part of the true faith, which makes them especially insidious, which is why they require extra zealous persecution. 

Religion is probably the least healthy form of human tribalism. Just consistently brings out the worst in human nature.

EPWilk

Persecution aside, shouldn't it be up to Muslims to decide who is a Muslim and who isn't? 

This would be like criticising Christians, Jews or Buddhist for saying what their religion is or isn't.

Combination-Low

They shouldn't be treated horribly and should be treated equally as everyone else. 

That being said they aren't Muslims. 

Both of those things can be true.

invalidmail2000

A friend of mine is an ahmadi from Pakistan. Their mosque is near my house. Really nice people, and they don't believe in jihad by sword in this age and time.  So, it make sense why pakistani mullah don't like them.

HourEast5496

People always find a way to hate and discriminate.

Divtos

Nevause of their presumption around the Middle East, many of them found refuge in Israel, and their international headquarters are currently in Haifa. Their main neighborhood, Kababir, is really in a beautiful place.

omeralal

Which sucks, when they're one of the very few Muslim sects that aren't truly awful.

Frontfacer

Ovinme

-Gavinz

Lots of dumb comments that don’t understand anything about Ahmadiyya. Their beliefs and practices are dumb and insane. Their beliefs are literally so different regarding Islam that there’s a reason Muslims don’t consider them Muslim. While I don’t think they should be persecuted, they spread a lot of BS.

Gantzz25

Actually I agree with Pakistan here. As a Christian, I feel the same way about Mormons. A sect with its own Prophet and Holy Book crosses the line of being merely a denomination to becoming a different religion altogether.

Effective-Simple9420

Could the prejudice  against the Ahmadiyya in Pakistan be because the founder was Indian?

Anon2o

oxheyman

You are generalizing quite a bit.

Ismailis are encouraged to read and learn the Qur'an and it's meaning, it's literally in the firmans. Maybe the khojas in your circle don't know many Suras but that doesn't apply to every khoja everywhere.

Marriage in Islam is a social contract, not a religious one. This is not exclusive to Ismailis, and it is not an indication of being a "better follower".

The version of Islam you are comparing to is just simply that - a different form of Islam. But if you're judging this version by the standards of the other version, of course they won't match.

bigtreeworld

We don’t need to go to madrasa and keep reading Quran and don’t understand it or interpret what it means. We have a living imam who we gave allegiance to that he will interpret Quran and guide us. So reading Quran means nothing
 Why judge others.  Why not spend time getting better.  Ismilism is not sharia it’s tariqa.

FatimatAssasinz

What’s your definition of a good Muslim? As an Ismaili, you should know that for us, a good Muslim is someone who follows the Farmans of the Imam of the time. According to Ismailism and as stated by the Imam himself, the only correct interpretation of the faith comes from the Imam. If the Imam were to instruct us to attend a mosque instead of the Jamatkhana, it would be our duty to follow his guidance. Islam was perfected as a Deen by Allah when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) declared Ali (AS) as his successor, and Ismailis are the only Muslims who continue to follow that command and remain on Sirat al-Mustaqeem to this day.

As for Khojas identifying as Ismailis, there’s nothing wrong with that, but I agree that they should introduce themselves with their full identity. Instead of simply saying “Ismaili,” “Shia,” or “Muslim,” we all should say the we are **Shia Imami Nizari Ismaili Muslims**.

Also, it’s important to know that the majority of Ismailis today are converts. Central Asian and Northern Pakistani Ismailis have Buddhist ancestry. Many converted directly from Buddhism to Ismailism, while others transitioned through Ithna Ashari or Sunni Islam before embracing Ismailism. You might be surprised to learn that in Hunza, Pakistan, some Ismailis still brew vodka and wine at home. When confronted by the regional council, they justified it by citing their Buddhist heritage, insisting that making alcohol is a tradition they couldn’t abandon, even centuries after converting to Islam.

So, this isn’t just a Khoja thing (I am not even Khoja). It’s always challenging for people to completely let go of traditions that have been part of their culture for centuries.

Embarrassed-Cry3180

You lost me at encouraging eating pork.  No ismaili I know enough eating pork. Stop spreading false info. 
Our whole dua has surahs. Our ginans have it. We say shahada. 
I think you are not Ismaili pretending to be Ismaili. You gave few false accusations.
All Pakistani Muslims with Sunni shai are all converted from Hindu or Punjabis. Even Sunnis who come here and accuse us forget they are not real Muslims. They are converted. My great grand parents are converts too.

This is confusing. By “good” do you mean abiding by another sect’s interpretation of Islam?

I think in this day and age it’s important to introduce yourself as Ismaili. Islam has been hijacked by some next level extremists and we need to ensure we segregate ourselves from the other interpretations. 

As far as pork/alcohol goes. I have yet to encounter an Ismaili that consumes pork. As far as alcohol goes I think it’s a hit or miss. Those that do usually go out with their Sunni friends and drink anyways. Not sure it’s a “Ismailis drink” sort of generalization. Rather segments of all the sects tend to drink.

Vtecman

Not everyone had REC or the right curriculum.

Are Khoja Ismaili teachings different from Syrian teachings?

AnonymousIdentityMan

Here's my 2 cents. I understand what you are trying to say...  the curriculum that was taught in ind and pak was about history of islam and history of Ismaili imams. They were taught ethics and traditions through Ginans and farmans. The learning  of Surah and Quran was encouraged much later and as a personal search.

 And if i am not wrong in Talim curriculum learning of Quran is much much later when kids are in 7th year when they are almost in their teens that too came in 2000s

Moreover any religious path we may follow, we follow them to seek betterment of ourselves in all spheres of life be it spiritual, material life, becoming a better human being and leave a better place to be for the generations to come. And not as a bar on which we should judge choices others

Legitimate_Party3713

I think too many people are being judgmental towards Ismailis for lifestyle choices and confusing them for religious choices.

IMO depending on what you’re exposed to shapes you so unless you have the same upbringing and understand the perspective, continue practicing your faith and don’t think too much about what others are doing.

I was born and brought up in places where Jamatkhana was 15min away so easier to attend and participate in events, now where I live due to work, I need to take 2 days off to attend, which is time consuming and financially not viable. I know few more years of this and I will start having a disconnect on the importance of attending Jamatkhana, but that’s the world today our livelihoods no longer revolve around being close to a Jamatkhana, but doesn’t mean we’re not practicing, just in a different way.

As for conversations on Halal food, let me ask you this, if no halal food was available around you, would you become vegetarian? 

I’m not condoning pork eating or alcoholism, that’s their personal choice.

ChefAcidity

Your points are very valid, expect the pork part, which I have never personally seen or heard. I don't know why people are getting triggered instead of engaging in a civil conversation.


Regarding clothes, they are a personal matter. I wear what I find respectful and culturally appropriate to the Jamatkhana proceedings and I assume others do the same.



Regarding Muslim identity, I have had friends claim they are not Muslims but 'Aga Khani'. This is baffling to me because Maula Shah Karim emphasized on our Shia Ismaili Muslim identity his whole life. It reflects ignorance on their part. We are a part of the greater Ummah and we should be proud of our heritage.


I have also had people, including ones you would least expect it from (I will not name names since this is a public sub) claim Imam and God are the same, which is simple untrue and shirk. Ismailism is a very strict monotheistic faith with absolutely no tolerance for shirk. It will take less than a few hours to read basic Ismaili philosophy on the subject of Allah, Aql-e-Kul and Imamat.


Lack of Quranic understanding is definitely an issue as well. You would see people arguing we have an Imam and do not need to study the Quran, when the Imam himself instructed us to study and understand the Quran. Imams have always quoted Quran in their farmans as a source of guidance and instruction for us. We have many Surahs as a part of REC curriculum, and, in our REC specifically, were studies the entirety of Quran by 12th standard. 


I wish these people would actually make the effort to study the Quran and they would say how strongly it reaffirms our faith. The reason we pray twice a day, the reason Imamat is heredity office, the reason we pray to the noor of Imam, all this and much more is grounded directly in the Quran.


We forget that practice of faith without understanding it, is simply imitation.


While there might be generalization in your post, you are not wrong that problems exist in a very real level in certain groups of our Jamat. 

samosachaat31

You are CRAZY! Stop blabbing nonsense. Eat pork? It's never going to happen! Wearing less clothing?!?! I I have NEVER seen anyone in Jamaat Khana do this.

Not MUSLIM?!?! STFU 🫵🏾🤡

MKvsDCU

I don’t think it’s a Khoja or community issues, if people were to adopt mainstream culture into their communities then ofc things then of course it different to how those communities practice in other countries.

They actually have a very nice interpretation book on Quran. https://www.reddit.com/r/ismailis/s/55qREXeCjE

Magnesito

This is exactly how I feel thank god someone spoke up

One-Confidence6687

that's really sickening especially if you live in a Muslim majority country. I have to witness it every year

IndividualTrash6244

If tradition has victims it's just abuse with a respectable name.

GiantManatee

Iam a Muslim. I completely understand how you feel. I feel the same. I have stopped participating in this for several years now.

imakha

The worst part is that they spend time with that animal for a week or so before they kill it. Even children in the family know that it's wrong and cry for days as they had grown attached to that animal. I genuinely think it's some sort psychological bullshit taught since childhood to make them numb towards the killing of animals. I love my muslim friends but this part of their religion I just can't accept. Idc if y'all call me islamphobe i can't ignore animal cruelty.

Former-Lab-9429

I wish these posts actually gave people resources and came from a place of compassion and understanding instead of the condescension on display here.

For any Muslims looking to understand whether veganism is permitted, you can take a look here at some quotes and messages from the Quran here:

[Vegan Islam](https://www.veganislam.org/)

There are many teachings from the Quran and examples from the Prophet's life (pbuh), that lead Muslims towards a life of mercy towards animals.

Peace be upon all of you

**Edit**

I found this Hadith particularly moving:

&gt; “The Prophet Muhammad said, “A man felt very thirsty while he was on the way. He came across a well, got down into it, and drank (water) from it. On coming out, he saw a dog panting and eating mud because of excessive thirst. The man said, ‘This (dog) is suffering from the same problem as that of mine.’ So, he (went down the well), filled his shoe with water, and held it with his mouth and watered the dog. Allah thanked him for his (good) deed and forgave him.” The people asked, “O Allah’s Messenger! Is there a reward for us in serving the animals?” He replied, “There is a reward for serving any living being.”

time_waster_3000

I am once again sharing my post from a few years back on being a [non-Muslim Muslim vegan around Eid al Adha](https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/s/zRVx6ZlIpY)

hikikomori0

witnessed a cow slaughter growing up in Egypt and that has definitely influenced my decision to become vegan

Dry_Address_1597

A real sacrifice would be to cut your own limb or something. It is the Goat/Lamb who will go to heaven not them.

AutomaticAd6646

I would suggest you try to write this in ways that appeal to islamic values instead of vegan ones. and maybe on an islamic subreddit instead of a vegan one? how do you plan to reach your target audience? In the meantime it comes off as no offense ignorant and ineffectual. Maybe head over to /r/progressiveislam and ask if this is even an issue worth pursuing?

positiveandmultiple

For all the idiots arguing it’s mandatory, I have a very similar example from Judaism, Islams closest theological cousin -

Ritual sacrifice (which Islam took from Judaism among other things) in Yom Kippur (day of repentance) used to be about praying and “infusing” an animal, usually a chicken, with one’s sins, then slaughtering after grotesquely spinning it over ones head.
Nowadays, not all but many, choose instead do that the same ritual with some kind of currency instead. 
Ritual sacrifice was also mandatory in the temple, and since there is no temple, it just doesn’t happen.
So things can definitely change, religion is fluid and not set in stone, and anyone that tells you it’s mandatory to kill animals for a religion doesnt know the first thing about religions - only teachings from hardliners.

Jehab_0309

Acrobatic-Skill6350

My husband is Muslim and I get pretty upset about this. The fact that he tries to justify. It’s caused a number of arguments.

ironmagnesiumzinc

I hope you shared the same indignation about Christians eating lamb for Easter because of tradition. Idk in other western countries, but it's the traditional Easter meal at least in France.

Dakh3

&gt;Why gorge on corpses when you can feast on tasty plant-based dishes? Clinging to outdated rituals and excuses in 2025 is shameful. In 2025 this is a sin, not a ritual.

It's not sin because the scholarly consensus says it's not (and also because anything that is explicitly allowed, can't be a sin in the expected execution).

Clinging to outdated rituals and excuses isn't what they're doing, they're clinging to tradition because they don't want to be ostracized mostly. And also they don't want to risk blasphemy as well.

ScoopDat

You think compassion will work when addressing a people that believe meat is only good for consumption if the animal has been killed in the most painful way imaginable? Look up halal slaughter...

Charles_Hardwood_XII

I understand that from a vegan perspective, any form of animal slaughter is seen as unnecessary harm, and I respect your right to hold that belief. But it’s important to also understand that in many cultures and religions, including mine, the method of slaughter is done with deep care to minimize suffering, not out of cruelty. 

The process we follow is designed to be quick and humane - using a sharp knife, done in a single motion, and keeping other animals away so they don’t witness it. It’s not about trying to "impress" anyone, but simply practicing what we believe in a respectful and responsible way. 

Not everyone will see things the same way, but mutual respect is essential. Just as I won’t force anyone to eat meat, I’d hope others won’t try to shame cultural or religious practices that are done thoughtfully and with purpose. We can disagree, but let’s do it with understanding, not judgment.

Ecstatic-Literature2

Wait until you learn about the slaughter of the pilgrimage to the Mecca...

TwoplankAlex

Muslims don't care about veganism. You should first persuade them to stop being muslims

Ill_Business_29

moudahaddad148

This post is the very definition of preaching to the choir

Riker1701E

Can someone share resources or words of advice to deal with the fact that this is happening right now. 

I teach in a school that has many Muslim students and they told me about how cute the lamb or goat in their backyard and laugh that it is about to be slaughtered. 

I’m paralysed with pain just thinking about all the innocent lamb and goats that will be in pain as we speak. 

Please help. :(

Tibear22

I assume animals just made noise out  of fear or confusion / stress 

I wasn't aware animals could beg for mercy

Previous_Ad_8838

"clinging to outdated traditions" buddy, you just described religion in general. they will not give up what they wholeheartedly believe in

failmop

Nofanta

You're asking Muslims to be better people than their prophet was...

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